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[quote=”kimball”]Everybody knows that Obama an GE are in bed together, right down to the slanted media coverage from NBC.
Do you think that Obama wouldn’t pay them back ? Just like the unions.[/quote]
You need to read more carefully, so read again this part.
“By the time the measure — the American Jobs Creation Act — was signed into law by President George W. Bush in 2004, it contained more than $13 billion a year in tax breaks for corporations, many very beneficial to G.E. One provision allowed companies to defer taxes on overseas profits from leasing planes to airlines. It was so generous — and so tailored to G.E. and a handful of other companies — that staff members on the House Ways and Means Committee publicly complained that G.E. would reap “an overwhelming percentage” of the estimated $100 million in annual tax savings.”
In 2004 George W. Bush was President not Obama.
READ SOME MORE; about the UNION’s and some Presidents
http://thinkprogress.org/politics/2011/02/25/146460/flashback-reagan-union-right/
OH OK, keep blaming Bush. In the meantime Obama will put the final nails in the coffin.
You talk about tax deferments for corporate jets like that is going to balance our budget and reduce the debt.
Yeah i agree our tax code is Fu%@ked, and there are companies exploiting it but putting the hammer to a few rich at the top will not put a dent in the problem our country faces.
I dont know what Poland’s union problems in the 80’s has to do with this conversation, but if we must go there…. Unions are a big part of the problem. I saw it first hand when i was in the local 7, how the negotiating team would act like they owned the companies or something. They would brag how they were going to get us $1.25 this year and then $1.75 next year and another $.75 the following. I would ask them how the company was going to afford to pay us that and still stay competitive with other non union outfits. They didnt care. They just assume bust the company. Its crazy, we worked for the company, we didnt own it. And of course our company and the rest of them went under in 2 years.
Unions back in their creation were needed to stop brutal labor practices but those days are long gone. There are now enough labor laws on the books to protect workers.
[quote=”kimball”]OH OK, keep blaming Bush. In the meantime Obama will put the final nails in the coffin.
You talk about tax deferments for corporate jets like that is going to balance our budget and reduce the debt.
Yeah i agree our tax code is Fu%@ked, and there are companies exploiting it but putting the hammer to a few rich at the top will not put a dent in the problem our country faces.[/quote]
YOU[b][i][/i][/b] where the one talking about Obama, I never mentioned him.
George W. Bush and Ronald Reagan are what I mention
don’t complain about your next water bill while your house is on “FIRE”
I make $75,000 a year and get a $2,500 refund at the end of the year. Guess WHAT!!! I will give the US Treasury a DEAL they can’t refuse.
For every DOLLAR I refuse to take from that $2,500 they send me, cut the same amount of spending and allow them to TAX me at the .28% bracket from the .18.
I am employed after all and should pay my fair amount of taxes in these difficult times.
NO!! the ask Warren Buffett what he thinks about the tax code
Hey man it sounds like you dont mind paying more taxes.
Will you pay mine too ?
I paid in almost as much as you made and i made a meager 150k.
[quote=”kimball”]I dont know what Poland’s union problems in the 80’s has to do with this conversation, but if we must go there…. Unions are a big part of the problem. I saw it first hand when i was in the local 7, how the negotiating team would act like they owned the companies or something. They would brag how they were going to get us $1.25 this year and then $1.75 next year and another $.75 the following. I would ask them how the company was going to afford to pay us that and still stay competitive with other non union outfits. They didnt care. They just assume bust the company. Its crazy, we worked for the company, we didnt own it. And of course our company and the rest of them went under in 2 years.
Unions back in their creation were needed to stop brutal labor practices but those days are long gone. There are now enough labor laws on the books to protect workers.[/quote]
WHO??? gave you sick days!!!!
WHO??? gave you vacation days!!!!
WHO??? gave you retirement benefits!!!!
WHO??? gave you decent wages!!!
I guess it was the company you worked for and not the Unions’
In this time and age the Unions know how much PROFIT the Company does and 1/10th of it goes to the workers.
The Company went “BELLY UP” because of the Union??? HOLLY SHEET, the Union made the Companies decisions, NO! the Union made the price and competition, NO!
The Union kept the company working until the Company made the wrong turn and down SOUTH did the company go and all the Union members.
Unemployment #’s just went NORTH, because of the Unions?? or because of BAD management decisions??
Pick your POISON
[quote=”aguirrewar”][quote=”kimball”]I dont know what Poland’s union problems in the 80’s has to do with this conversation, but if we must go there…. Unions are a big part of the problem. I saw it first hand when i was in the local 7, how the negotiating team would act like they owned the companies or something. They would brag how they were going to get us $1.25 this year and then $1.75 next year and another $.75 the following. I would ask them how the company was going to afford to pay us that and still stay competitive with other non union outfits. They didnt care. They just assume bust the company. Its crazy, we worked for the company, we didnt own it. And of course our company and the rest of them went under in 2 years.
Unions back in their creation were needed to stop brutal labor practices but those days are long gone. There are now enough labor laws on the books to protect workers.[/quote]
WHO??? gave you sick days!!!!
[b]We didnt have sick days. If you were sick all the time you got fired[/b].WHO??? gave you vacation days!!!!
[b]Vacation days ? Are you serious ?[/b]WHO??? gave you retirement benefits!!!!
[b]Retirement benefits that we all got screwed on from the union [/b]WHO??? gave you decent wages!!!
[b]Wages are determined through free markets. If you dont pay someone enough they work elsewhere for more. If you pay them to much your bottom line is hurt.[/b]I guess it was the company you worked for and not the Unions’
[b]Yes, but the union set the wage. Cant you do the math ? If all the non union comp’s pay their bricklayers $20.ph it is tough to make money (let alone get a contract) if you have to pay $25.[/b]In this time and age the Unions know how much PROFIT the Company does and 1/10th of it goes to the workers.
[b]Why should the union know how much money a company makes ?[/b]The Company went “BELLY UP” because of the Union??? HOLLY SHEET, the Union made the Companies decisions, NO! the Union made the price and competition, NO!
[b]The uniion sets the wage, and if it is not in order with all around them then they are done.[/b]The Union kept the company working until the Company made the wrong turn and down SOUTH did the company go and all the Union members.
[b]The company gets its own work, the union supplies the labor.[/b]Unemployment #’s just went NORTH, because of the Unions
[b]Is this a question or a statement ?[/b]I feel as though i should be charging you money for this lesson.
BUD
go and work for Walmart and be HAPPY:D:D:D:D
with minimun wages and NO RETIREMEMT and no UNIONS
small people think SMALL, MIN wage is close to $8.00 an hour
40 hours X $8.00 = #$320.00 a week (GROSS)
I bet you would like your children to MAKE this amount of $$$
Get a Vasectomy
Typical, cant defend your position so you get personal.
If i had to i would work a walmart. But since i have my own company (that i worked really fu#$ing hard to turn into a profitable business) i will go and oppress my employees and make a boat load of money.
When i am done i will report back to you so you can decide how much of it i can keep.
Unions, just like governments and political parties, get co-opted by the big money. Both of you are chasing one another’s tails in a vicious circle by playing the false two party socialism versus capitalism game that has been set up by the elitists to distract you from the real problem.
The real problem is the economic system based on money. This system designs obsolescence and scarcity of goods in order to maintain demand without which, the whole thing would come tumbling down….and it is doing that anyway because it is unsustainable. While you argue that one side or the other side is to blame, it should be evident that regardless of who has been in power, things always go the same direction. Don’t you ever wonder why that is? Wake up!
[quote=”sprite”]Unions, just like governments and political parties, get co-opted by the big money. Both of you are chasing one another’s tails in a vicious circle by playing the false two party socialism versus capitalism game that has been set up by the elitists to distract you from the real problem.
The real problem is the economic system based on money. This system designs obsolescence and scarcity of goods in order to maintain demand without which, the whole thing would come tumbling down….and it is doing that anyway because it is unsustainable. While you argue that one side or the other side is to blame, it should be evident that regardless of who has been in power, things always go the same direction. Don’t you ever wonder why that is? Take the red pill and wake up! from your stupor![/quote]
But you dont address the real question.
How much tax is enough ? 75% 80% 90% ?
Yeah, things are a mess, but we still need to keep making money. I just would like to keep some of it.
Maybe i ill buy a boat and that will help your kid who works at the boat manufacture.
Or maybe ill buy some property in CR and build a house. That might help some kids in CR with some employment.
Cant you see that its all tied together ?
[quote=”sprite”]Unions, just like governments and political parties, get co-opted by the big money. Both of you are chasing one another’s tails in a vicious circle by playing the false two party socialism versus capitalism game that has been set up by the elitists to distract you from the real problem.
The real problem is the economic system based on money. This system designs obsolescence and scarcity of goods in order to maintain demand without which, the whole thing would come tumbling down….and it is doing that anyway because it is unsustainable. While you argue that one side or the other side is to blame, it should be evident that regardless of who has been in power, things always go the same direction. Don’t you ever wonder why that is? Wake up![/quote]
Your fancy words don’t impress me and I am WIDE AWAKE, 40 years working in a Union based work, go and spit on the ones making MIN wage and find out how they live.
Bet you:
$1,200 a month in SS
$1,500 a month from the Veterans Administration
$680.00 a month from the USPS
$500.00 from a 401Kand I worked for all of it making the right decisions
“The real problem is the economic system based on money.”
REALLY!!!
You barter, trade chickens and pigs for SURVIVAL while I use a currency model, you use the OLD school
I am using the smallest words I can think of to explain this. The problem is not vocabulary. It is just a complicated issue impossible to explain in a paragraph. And you have been brainwashed your entire life so that you might not see what has happened and what is happening.
Let’s just say that money is a tool used by those who create it to control you and to rob you of the wealth your energy creates. You do not create money. You merely use it. Since they create money out of thin air as much or as little as they like, THEY determine its value, not you. In this way, they decide how much you earn and the monetary cost of the things you can buy.
Social security, 401K’s, retirement pensions…all are dependent upon government largess because they have control of what you think of as your money. And they can pull the rug from under you at a moment’s notice. They are doing it right now and you don’t see it.
[quote=”kimball”]But you dont address the real question.
How much tax is enough ? 75% 80% 90% ?
Yeah, things are a mess, but we still need to keep making money. I just would like to keep some of it.
Maybe i ill buy a boat and that will help your kid who works at the boat manufacture.
Or maybe ill buy some property in CR and build a house. That might help some kids in CR with some employment.
Cant you see that its all tied together ?[/quote]
Tie this one together for me, will you: CEO’s and hedge fund managers have yearly salaries in the millions of dollars yet a scientist working on a cure for a disease might be lucky to make $60K a year.
The Tico (or more likely, the Nica) who works on building your house makes $12 a day for hard labor. The same laborer in the States might make 30 or 40 times that amount for the same kind of work.
The world monetary system is a manipulative tool for human exploitation. It can be adjusted and directed to suit those who control it and this system is completely disconnected from real human needs and proper allocation of planetary resources.
Taxation is a minor aspect of the manipulation. Living standard disparities are a much more dangerous problem.
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