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  • #197120
    grb1063
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    Read the fine print thus far on this wonderfull 1,100+ page proposal:

    THE 50 REASONS TO STOP OBAMACARE:

    1) Pg 22 mandates that the Government will audit books of ALL EMPLOYERS that self insure. So every employer in the United States will be subjected to a health insurance audit just as all taxpayers are subject to audit. Of course, we will have to pay for an entire new bureaucracy to do this–the Internal Health Revenue Service?

    2) Pg 30, Sec 123 states that there will be a government committee that decides what treatments you are allowed and what your overall benefits are.

    3) Pg 29, lines 4-16 basically mandates the rationing of health care as is being done in Canada.

    4) Pg 42 recognizes the power of the Health Choices Commissioner to determine your health benefits. You will have no choice.

    5) PG 50, section 152 states that free, taxpayer-paid health care will be given to the 30 million non-citizens in the USA, even illegal aliens.

    6) Pg 58 states that government will have possession of all your health care records & history including finances and you will have to have a National ID Healthcard.

    7) Pg 59, lines 21-24 gives direct access to your banks accounts to compel you to pay any out-of-pocket or premium costs electronically without your previous consent.

    8) PG 65, sec 164 provides for a political payoff from the Democrats and Obama; a special subsidized plan for retirees and their families in unions community groups like ACORN.

    9) Pg 72, lines 8-14 creates a Health Care Exchange to bring private health insurance plans under government control. This part of the bill reveals Obama’s lies about being able to keep your plan if you like it. Any health insurance plan which does not completely rework itself to conform to these regulations will be dropped from the exchange and those insured will have to pick one of the plans in the exchange. This is why the Congressional Budget Office determined that over 20 million will lose the coverage they are now enjoying if Obamacare is implemented.

    10) PG 85, line 7 provides specifics for benefit levels for all health plans, giving government the right to ration everyone’s healthcare.

    11) PG 91, lines 4-7 mandates that doctor’s offices, clinics and hospitals provide language-appropriate services, basically ordering them to hire translators at the expense of the American taxpayer.

    12) Pg 95, lines 8-18 allows the government to hire non-profit community groups like ACORN and Americorps to sign up people for the government health plan.

    13) PG 85, line 7 provides for specifics on benefit levels for Medicare recipients, basically rationing the care of every senior citizen I the United States.

    14) PG 102, lines 12-18 mandates that all Medicaid eligible will be automatically enrolled in Medicaid based upon income and insurance status. No choice.

    15) Pg 124, lines 24-25 states that no private company or individual can have the right to sue the federal government for medical price fixing, basically eliminating your right to seek redress in the courts regarding your medical care.

    16) Pg 127, lines 1-16 dictates doctors’ payment and therefore income which will reduce what doctors earn and lead to greater shortages of doctors and more rationing of care.

    17) Pg 145, line 15-17 any employer not currently insuring their employees must enroll employees into public plan option, with no choice of private insurance allowed.

    18) Pg 126, lines 22-25 mandates that employers must pay for health insurance even for part-time workers and their families, which will certainly lead to massive layoffs.

    19) Pg 149, lines 16-24 all employers with an annual payroll bigger than $400k who does not pay to enroll employees in public insurance option will pay an 8% tax on all payroll.

    20) Pg 150, lines 9-13 mandates that employers with an annual payroll between $251K & $400K who does not pay to enroll employees in public insurance option will pay a 2-6% tax on all payroll.

    21) Pg 167, lines 18-23 any individual who is self-employed and does not have health insurance will be taxed 2.5% of income and forced to accept public health insurance. So paying for health care out of pocket will be banned from the face of the earth.

    22) Pg 170, lines 1-3 exempts non-resident aliens from the individual health care taxes, so Americans citizens will pay for these aliens, legal and illegal alike.

    23) Pg 195 officers & employees of the new Health Care Administration will have access to all Americans personal financial records and accounts.

    24) PG 203, line 14-15 actually says that “The tax imposed under this section shall not be treated as tax.” Yes, it says that.

    25) Pg 239, line 14-24 mandates that available physician services will be reduced for Medicaid recipients. Many poor people including many seniors will be affected.

    26) Pg 241, line 6-8 mandates that all doctors receive the same pay, regardless of specialty. This will vastly reduce the number of specialists available in the United States, a common problem where medicine is socialized like Canada.

    27) PG 253, line 10-18 allows the federal government to set the value of doctor’s time, professional judgment.

    28) PG 265, Sec 1131 mandates and controls the productivity of all health care providers including surgeons!

    29) PG 268, Sec 1141 regulates the rental & purchase of power driven wheelchairs.

    30) PG 272, Sec. 1145 regulates the operation of certain types of cancer hospitals, again rationing the care of cancer patients.

    31) Page 280, Sec 1151 allows the government to penalize hospitals for what is deemed to be preventable readmissions. So instead of being sued for malpractice, the government will be the punitive body when mistakes are made.

    32) Pg 298, lines 9-11 mandates that if a doctor treats a patient during initial admission and that result in a re-admission, the doctor will be subject to federal penalties. Gee do you think that’s going to drive up the cost of malpractice?

    33) Pg 317, lines 13-20 will create prohibitions on ownership and investment in the health service industry for doctors.

    34) Pg 317-318, lines 21-25, and 1-3 will prohibit the expansion of all hospitals.

    35) pg 321, lines 2-13 allows hospitals apply for an exception to the expansion rule but they must seek community input first!

    36) Pg335, lines 16-25, Pg 336-339 mandates the establishment of outcome based health care and insidious idea that actually limits the treatment choices made by patients with their doctors, based upon the patient’s health and condition. This will result in the oldest, weakest and sickest patients being denied treatments simply because the statistics for success in their demographic category are poor! This is a form of health care rationing that will save money at the expense of seniors to help buy insurance for the uninsured, most of whom are young and healthy!

    37) Pg 341, lines 3-9 allows the government to disqualify Medicare Advantage Plans and HMO forcing people into the government run public plan.

    38) Pg 354, Sec 1177 will arbitrarily restrict the enrollment of special needs children and adults.

    39) Pg 379, Sec 1191 mandates the creation of even more bureaucracy in the Telehealth Advisory Committee.

    40) PG 425, lines 4-12 mandates “Advance Care Planning Consultation,” another insidious vehicle to save money by encouraging seniors who are in poor health to be more accepting of death rather than fighting to stay alive and healthy and with their loved ones.

    41) Pg 425, lines 17-19 mandates that all senior patients will be consulted regarding living wills, durable powers of attorney.

    42) PG 425, lines 22-25, 426 lines 1-3 provides an approved list of end of life resources, to help guide seniors about the process of dying!

    43) PG 427, lines 15 mandates program for orders on the end of life, actually giving the government a say in how your life ends!

    44) Pg 429, lines 1-9 dictates the frequency with which an Advance Care Planning Consultant will have to meet with patients as their health deteriorates.

    45) PG 429, lines 10-12 give an Advance Care Planning Consultant the power to order end of life plans for a patient.

    46) Pg 429, lines 13-25 will only allow certain doctors, not necessarily your own physician, to write an end of life order.

    47) PG 430, lines 11-15 allows the government to decide what level of treatment you will have at end of life.

    48) Pg 469 mandates “Community Based Home Medical Services” through non profits like ACORN. Happy yet that we elected a community organizer to the White House?

    49) PG 489, Sec 1308 force taxpayers to pay for Marriage & Family therapy under the public insurance plan.

    50) Pg 494-498 allows government to define mental illnesses and what services will be allowed to treat, again rationing this care.

    #197121
    postalx
    Member

    GRB: It appears that you have done what seems beneath the requirements of elected office in the US Congress: actually read the bill! Even our Most Exalted One, the Emperor Obammy, has admitted that he “is unfamiliar” with much of the Healthcare Reform Act. A casual run-through of your list shows what we’ve been saying about this putz since he appeared on the scene: It’s all about control, not quality; it’s about redistribution of wealth: not necessarily from rich to poor, but rather from whitey to darkey as a form of backdoor reparations.

    The reason they are rushing this through is to avoid the details from seeing the light of day. As opposition to this cluster*!#%!! builds, and the facts get out, they get more shrill and accusatory of those that would “question” their wisdom, much like their reaction to “questioning” their patriotism.

    Thank you for exposing this; I’ll be sure to pass it around.

    #197122
    sprite
    Member

    It sounds like both of you prefer the cluster@#$!! we currently have. Don’t worry. Our version of national health care will be prety much the same thing we have now. The insurance companies will still be deeply involved in skimming profits except now they will be officially in bed with the congress they own.

    Do you really think Obama is a true progressive and is going to revolutionize anything?He will do only what the money wants him to do. He is a typical politician. He can’t help himself. And neither can we help ourselves. We are stuck in this merry go round system and can only elect the same kind of people over and over. Right now the money wants him to keep some kind of war going and they want to keep some kind of health care systen that permits them to suck the life blood out of the nation…not too much at a time but just enogh to keep the victim alive and working.

    #197123
    edlreed
    Member

    Gee, what is a “darkey”? Dark Irish? Dark Italian? Salami on dark rye?
    What century are we in?

    #197124
    albertoB
    Member

    Ah Americans!

    The devil is after you again.
    Go invade some foreign country. You’ll feel better.

    #197125
    kimball
    Member

    I like my health care just the way it is. So do the people that don’t have any.

    looks like sprite and alberto did another wake and bake.

    #197126
    postalx
    Member

    According to our fearless leader, whitey is the root cause of all evil in the entire world. “Darkey” are the oppressed masses, yearning to be free if only Mr. Obama can figure out a politically savvy way to justify transferring wealth from the rich to the poor (filtered through the pocket linings of the US Government).

    Spare me the faux outrage of your tender sensibilities here; just calling a spade a spade.

    #197127
    postalx
    Member

    Sprite: I don’t particularly care for the status quo, and you’re right in saying that the final outcome will probably be a tortured bastardized version of what we already have available to us.

    What’s galling to me, is that they have yet to identify the core issues,but identify and vilify straw man villains and proceed without a national discussion to find solutions. Instead, these out-of-touch pampered poofs with their gold-plated, taxpayer subsidized lives huddle behind closed doors like the cockroaches they are. The result of their initial deliberations resulted in the 50 point list by GRB that is the subject of this thread. I’m supposed to like this?

    What I really don’t care for is the underlying thought that if the Obamacare comes to pass, health care will be FREE! Just like how Obama was going to pay for my car and groceries. These people are living in a world of ‘magical thinking’, in which if you repeat a lie often enough, all your dreams will come true! The truth is, as the system now works, we ‘rich’ (and I use that term loosely) pay for our own insurance also pay for the care of the uninsured. So tell me: in the new plan, what’s the difference?

    Edited on Jul 25, 2009 08:26

    #197128
    editer
    Member

    albertoB, please don’t lump all of us Americans together. The last election shows that most of us are not total boobs. The anti Obama postings that you see here and all over the internet are just the sore losers blowing off steam. The longer the diatribe, the sorer the loser. I offer the initial posting on this thread as evidence. These people have way too much time on their hands and can’t think of how to use it except to attack the people who so soundly defeated them.

    I still can’t get any of them to give me straight answer to the question that I post over and over again on this site: If they are so opposed to socialism, why would they want to emigrate to Costa Rica, which is obviously a much more socialist country than the U.S.? One would think that these right wingnuts would prefer the Honduras, where, if the people elect a leftist president, the military can throw him out over some trumped up charge.

    editer

    #197129
    sprite
    Member

    I devoutly believe in socialism, but not corporate socialsim.

    I consider conservative, capitalist corproate autocrats to be the supreme enemy of everyone on the planet including themselves.

    I also believe that hard core 25% of the US adult population which consistanlty votes for conservative, right wing, militarist governments to be the cause for most of the misery and problems in the world today. All the bigots, rascists and intolerant religious seem to associate their evil causes with that right wing and we end up with what looks like a conservative country after elections. We are not getting meaningful national healthcare. That WOULD be a move to populist socialism
    and the right wing only want to continue with corporate socialism.

    Edited on Jul 25, 2009 15:42

    #197130
    kimball
    Member

    You need to move your anti American arse to Cuba or Venezuela or something. In the meantime, hope you don’t meet that 25% in a tavern.

    #197131
    postalx
    Member

    I note with irony that this monstrosity of a bill being offered is the brainchild of the leftist, socialist democrats under Pelosi/Reid with their airtight majorities, who’ve rejected any significant input from their evil republican counterparts while simultaneously decrying the lack of Republican ideas.

    It does nothing to improve the lot for the shrinking segment of our society being called upon to foot this bill. Nothing about this proposed overhaul is an improvement on the status quo for me, a small-time capitalist with 5 employees.

    The ultimate goal, as described to me by a democrat organizer I know, is to cut out the “for-profit fat” in the system. This forgets why we exist in this American society: wake up, get up, show up on time, produce something of value, get paid $ as the fruit of our labors, live a good life and get up tomorrow and do it all over again. If you’re lucky and thrifty, build up some savings. We can’t all be government employees; hell it’s 1 in 7 now!

    Health care freedom as we now know it would be destroyed in the name of making everyone equally miserable. But hey, that’s what socialism is all about!

    #197132
    edlreed
    Member

    Racism is racism, nothing “faux” about it. Pura vida and welcome to Costa Rica.

    #197133
    revision
    Member

    This article in today’s New York Times by Paul Krugman sort of supports the thesis in Michael Moore’s movie, “Sicko.”
    http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/07/25/why-markets-cant-cure-healthcare/

    #197134
    kimball
    Member

    Michael Moore is a lune.

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