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You know there is a huge difference between what the laws says is to be done here in CR, and what really happens. Actually the percentage of what really happens compared to what the law mandates is a joke.
Maybe not so much of a joke if you get caught, but none the less the chances of getting caught for anything here are very slim. Especially when it comes to issues like home schooling, vaccinations and infringing on copyrights law.
All of you, as Davidd suggests, that cannot get what you want by not following the straight line maybe should again as he suggests go home and follow the very broad dark black lines that take you exactly where you want to go back in the US.
One of the great things about Costa Rica is the opportunity the “practice vs theory crisis” brings to us.
If you cannot figure it out, 1, you probably do not speak Spanish; 2, you probably only associate with gringos; 3, you find yourself morally superior; 4, you cannot understand how to adapt, just like the dinosaurs…
Like John Lennon said,
“You either change with music, or music changes without you…”
For your own personal sanity I hope you guys dig Lady Gaga… ajajajajaaaaaaaa
[quote=”2bncr”]I feel like writing:
sooooo
You know there is a huge difference between what the laws says is to be done here in CR, and what really happens. Actually the percentage of what really happens compared to what the law mandates is a joke.
Maybe not so much of a joke if you get caught, but none the less the chances of getting caught for anything here are very slim. Especially when it comes to issues like home schooling, vaccinations and infringing on copyrights law.
All of you, as Davidd suggests, that cannot get what you want by not following the straight line maybe should again as he suggests go home and follow the very broad dark black lines that take you exactly where you want to go back in the US.
One of the great things about Costa Rica is the opportunity the “practice vs theory crisis” brings to us.
If you cannot figure it out, 1, you probably do not speak Spanish; 2, you probably only associate with gringos; 3, you find yourself morally superior; 4, you cannot understand how to adapt, just like the dinosaurs…
Like John Lennon said,
“You either change with music, or music changes without you…”
For your own personal sanity I hope you guys dig Lady Gaga… ajajajajaaaaaaaa
[/quote]2bncr
always loved your rational level headed replies.
this is my exact point living here and one of the reasons what makes costa rica great is this disparity with the law and what actually goes on.
it can be frustrating to the follow the line law abiding people that come here and expect everything to be spelled out exact
step by step paint the numbers here.
its not
and whether or not I wish this cold be the case does NOT change anything
it is what it is nothing more or less.
sometimes you have to use your own judgment based on actual real world data by observation.
for instance
I now know that when new law or tax comes into law I am never the first to line up and pay this.
I wait
until it goes through its process.. then I make a decision.
speaking spanish is a MUST!!!! it should be a crime and requirement that people speak spanish if anything only for the opportunity to experiences the real culture by immersion
i have a grandmother that does NOT speak english living in a italian community in NY
been living there since she was 20 years old and she is 85 and she does NOT speak English
can you imagine she had denied herself life experiences because she chose to migrate and stay in a Italian community.
saludos
david
Thanks Davidd – Level headedness is not appreciated these days as it is often politically incorrect and those who are so, are about as popular as the plague. Especially if you are pro men!
Many gringos just refuse to adapt to the social mores (customary behaviors). Gringas see no middle ground between between extreme feminism and subjugation. Ticas understand a middle ground and gringas hate that.
They are too big headed.
Gringo/a have lived indoctrinated by an unnatural system and they cannot even handle the thought that following every rule is inappropriate. They are blank-check rule followers. Just like the US system taught (indoctrinated) them to be.
Real patriots only follow the just rules. They make up their own minds. Most of these good little rule followers are usually effeminate males and women. They would never spend days in jail to oppose an unjust law.
Try reading one of the greatest of all Americans, Henry David Thoreau’s [u]Resistance to Civil Government[/u][i][/i] (Civil Disobedience).
In his essay the American transcendentalist first published in 1849, Thoreau argues that individuals should not permit governments to [u]overrule their consciences[/u], and that they have a duty to avoid allowing such acquiescence to enable the government to make them the agents of injustice.
How many of you can say that participating with governments at times have not over ruled you consciousness
Ahh but its too big to tackle now! (you say). Why – because the Americans were more concerned with materialism (being comfortable) than freedom. We still have a chance here, as Ticos use civil disobedience! But the majority of gringos see them as wrong! Follow that rule! Stop at the stop sigh when there is no traffic. Grow a bigger government by your blind faith participation… Approve the patriot Act! I could go on and on..
The gringos are wrong!
Every time we follow an antiquated rule that does not cause the intended consequence, we are agents of injustice.
Subversives rather than patriots.
Subversives that would rather live of the teat of government rather than risk discomfort to protect freedom. Look what the TSA has done with its invasive actions! I would rather take the a higher incidence of plane crashing than endure that humiliation.
Ah but Americans are accepting of humiliation, even like it if it will bring them 15 minutes of fame. Look how men are continually humiliated on TV. Look how women are continually portrayed as sluts. When was the last time you saw a women portrayed as an honorable stay at home mother happliy raising a family and making a warm and lovong home for her husband and child??/
These same subversive are now perpetrating a huge government attitude in Costa Rica by social customs such as effeminism and occupying peoples minds with materialism rather than freedom. Well focused on working to make more to buy more, they are to busy to think about the consequences of their actions (sound familiar?)
Why extreme feminism plays a big part and should be stopped is because its out of balance, because women spend the money and many women define themselves by their possession, and the men in incorrect support of their women’s greedy wants blindly follow…
Where have all the honorable wise women gone to?
Their is a hge crisis in female leadership similar to the archaic “black Leadership” portrayed by the Jessie Jackson’s of the world.
Feminist want to portray women as subjugated to derive power for their leadership position. Just like the Jackson’s of the world did for black leadership positions. Its sad.. as no one can nurture a baby and young child as well as a women can.
Hopefully a level headed woman with the balance of president Obama will come along and put and end to the extremism, as Obama pt an end to the Sharptons and Jacksons of the world…
To be an agent of justice is to be a patriot. It is to lead your family by conscientiousness rather than by peace with your spouse (caving in).
The rest are agents of injustice because they see it as too much of a risk to protect real liberty. You could call them pussy cats (if you get what I mean).
Ah, “following just rules”. That must be why the CR phrase book includes: “Can I pay an on-the-spot fine?”
Can you imagine a tico being fined c350.000 for a traffic violation? At least a month’s salary for some, more for others.
you’re not one of those people who think the new fines are only for gringos, are you? they are not. and the Tico who gets such a ticket is not making $350 a month. those people can’t afford cars. in my town we have a plethora of hummers, bmw’s, mercedes, and even a porsche and that doesn’t include the high-end monster trucks that Ticos like so much. nobody who is making that low wage has a car — and i am willing to bet on that.
That is a perfect example of practice vs theory
There are plenty of car owners making $800 a month paying car loans and they cannot afford those tickets – but in [u]theory [/u]they are supposed to pay them.
Ahh but in [u]practice [/u]no cop is going to give the driver of a 96 Corolla a ticket if the driver slips him 10K colonies (or less).
So if your are a patriot you pay the cop because to accept the ticket is to perpetuate injustice (excessive/punitive fines). If not, you are part of the problem rather than the solution.
Nobody is obliged to obey immoral laws and since forced compliance is not obedience, tipping a cop a few thousand colones for a friendly warning seems a civilized way of avoiding the issue.
“Nobody is obliged to obey immoral laws”
People oblige themselves to follow immoral laws all the time. Especially people from the land of the free – as in free to work themselves into the grave to sustain an overblown military and support those who profit wildly from the military industrial complex, you know the free people too busy or too comfortable to do anything about the financial servitude they have self designed? The ones that come down here and encourage growing government to placate their guilt (from cowardice) and ease their conscience at the expense of others…
and since “forced compliance is not obedience”
Nice try at a convenient excuse (placating guilt).
Forced compliance is physical obedience. Physical obedience is what perpetrates injustice.
Moral disobedience is a placebo. A convenient way to rationalize compliance, an excuse to comply – as in “if I don’t comply I will be jailed.”
So what, be jailed. That is what patriots do – they sacrifice.
But serfs rationalize their way to obedience – they tell themselves rational lies to make their obedience palatable – “not my fault they made me do it.” A way to disguise their cowardice only to themselves… Patriots understand their cowardice and despise them as much as cowards silently despise themselves.
Perpetrators silently participate with injustice and their silent cowardice is the voice of complicity.
Wow! Such bravado! I have never met a martyr.
I am not a martyr. I do what I can. I do not obey immoral laws except when obeying forced compliance makes sense. I have no wish to be sacrificed for a lost cause. I don’t think you do either. Put a gun to our heads, or threaten us with imprisonment, and we will obey or run away. But short of that extreme case, most of us who are aware we are ruled by criminals find ways to get around having to confront brute force.
I don’t vote, I don’t pay traffic fines, I “avoid” taxes where possible, I use cash and I have no respect for badges, uniforms or government unless there is a drawn gun involved.
When I was a young man protesting in the streets during the Ohio State riots of 1970, I stood up to a tank flanked by the Ohio National Guard with bayonets. I threw a rock at the tank and shouted some protest about the streets belonging to the people. When one of the soldiers shouted back “we’re gonna get you, longhair” and they all broke into a charge at me, I ran like hell.
Cowards are those who have a chance of success yet run away anyhow. Resistance fighters retreat from a superior force and live to fight another day. Slaves are not even aware there is a problem or that they are slaves. They pay their income tax and traffic fines and believe most of the garbage they are told by the corporate media.
later posts in this thred sound like a adversarial forum in the states, a lot of use of “patriots” and conflict……..take the AMericano out of USA, but not the USA out of the Americano……
Very limiting but cushy definition of cowardice.
I suggest hormone therapy. The “man” kind…
Somewhere I read that all the unused estrogen pills flushed down the toilets have contaminated the water supply… (not a joke).
A martyr is someone who suffers death rather than compliance.
Very dramatic choice of words. Is that another way to ease your compliance justification and remain in the gringo comfort zone with every hair in place and 2.5 kids and a never ending groundhog day lifestyle.
Funny how you associate death (martyrdom) with discomfort of confinement. They are two different things… Ah but you know that – and you are just trying to ease your conscience.
I am hopeful I am smart enough not to be a martyr but there have been hills I have chose to die on, if that was what it took. Not many mind you, but a great life should be accompanied by a great death.
The thing and point is that Ticos have a bias toward noncooperation and are very much more likely to act in accordance with Thoreau’s views. Contrarily, many Gringos come here and set an example that encourages compliance with all laws no matter how unjust or unreasonable. “Why can’t these Ticos stop at a stop sign!!!!” hahahahaaaa
Ticos do not understand laws for the sake of organically obeying (gringos do).
I am glad you are finding when to question authority – I applaud that.
Sophomoric efforts are better than nothing and better than most. But like all sophomores they envy the seniors. Maybe someday you will graduate into Maverickdom with a capital M. It used to be all gringos here were mavericks, steers that did not run with the heard. Now Middle America is here with Middle America follow ALL THE RULES values. The same middle America that follows the heard – all the way to the slaughter house.
The same middle America that is ruining it for the mavericks – those eccentrics and adventurers that came here to get away from Middle America and Middle American rule following values.
Middle Americans and other levels as well have sold out to a false sense of security.
I see Ticos as much freer and have a real idea about what is important. There is no such thing as security, especially provided by the police. Yes, it can help but it is hardly a guarantee. Much better choosing the right neighborhood than thinking the police will protect you because you pay a lot of taxes.
It all gets down to buying a boat load of crap from paying taxes to a system that makes promises it cannot deliver.
The theory is “Blah blah blah” says the government.
The practice (reality) is “Act in “X” manner” says the savvy Tico…
Rather than learn, the Know-better gringo does not act like a Roman when in Rome.
That arrogance is usually born by defining one’s self by an ability to have a high level of physical comfort in their lifestyle.
Social cushion to me is a lame way to define oneself. I guess that is why I like Costa Rica and the beat up streets and the dysfunctional system that frequently strays from theory providing the gaps that enable me to fill then with “practice”.
But until you resonate with the Ticos rather than look down on them by applying your behavior according to gringo values (customary US behaviors) than you will always curse the practice vs theory quotient and wonder why “it’s like this” and why it can’t be “like that” (like home) where everybody follows the rules… obliviously – and all the way to servitude…
Until this is “home” by accepting that because you are living here you have chosen to be like “they” are, and when you see yourself as them, and the idea of “they” goes away,, you will see that there is a nice rhyme that goes to the reason here.
And you see that practice becomes a great antidote to theory.
Then you come to appreciate Tico wisdom… Then you feel truly at home. And things are like they are back home because this is “back home.”
Welcome to Costa Rica. Welcome to being/thinking Tico…
Come on Camby – are you another one that cannot have provocative honest discussion without playing the “I am offended” card. Typical gringo/a…
Your opinions regarding the discussion topics would be welcome.. your options about the discussion and its manner are not welcomed by me…
They smack of censorship.
I think Scott feels that we are all adults here….
If you want censorship go to Costa Rica Living yahoo group and discuss where to buy pomegranates… you will feel right at home there as there are plenty of rules to follow and expected behaviors to live up to!
[quote=”2bncr”]Come on Camby – are you another one that cannot have provocative honest discussion without playing the “I am offended” card. Typical gringo/a…
Your opinions regarding the discussion topics would be welcome.. your options about the discussion and its manner are not welcomed by me…
They smack of censorship.
I think Scott feels that we are all adults here….
If you want censorship go to Costa Rica Living yahoo group and discuss where to buy pomegranates… you will feel right at home there as there are plenty of rules to follow and expected behaviors to live up to![/quote]
I can talk honestly with people that can actually talk
Nowhere did I call for you or anyone else to be censored.
Nowhere did I say I was offended-as a individual, nor as a tax payer, American,etc….you take a very narrow view of interpreting and trying to put words in ones mouth, while not reading what is actually written, nor asking.
Your response above and other posts are “typical gringo” and more fitting for Fox News and/or Freerepublic forum.after complaining about “censorship” neither was called for by me nor indicated, you then yourself tell me the following:
“Your opinions regarding the discussion topics would be welcome.. your options about the discussion and its manner are not welcomed by me… “
So, besides Scott, you are the appointed/self appointed moderator?
Tell the truth, you are a AMerican neocon, true? can spot them a mile away…..if so, then again, another example of a waste of who gets to live in CR and who cannot at present.
If I am wrong, them my apologies, but your post on welfare, food stamps and your whole manner-being offended, implying others are and censoring you and then assigning motives, blame and the like where none is stated nor found, is rather telling……it is typical of the American Neo
again, at no time was I saying in past threds I was personally offended, nor offended on behalf of some group or other persons….none at all….
The card is in your imagination and applied to me where no reason exists for it, neither stated nor implied.
and as you have stated that there is no “typical Tico’tico lifestyle” would like to see what a typical Gringo/a is like, as you seem to reject the “typical” person/group discussion……..
I am sure Scott feels we are all adults, though his opinion is not expressed on this here…….and as adults we were have a discussion that at times, was maybe a but heated and obviously, not w/o disagreements……..
You seem to be upset, seem to feel maybe ganged up on and still, cannot defend your discussion of a Middle Eastern Duck Woman…….ie, that what you saw might just be surface and not telling the whole thing…
The American response is actually YOURS the fretting over food stamps, those “sucking ” the system and the immediate judgment of people based on-what a few minutes-snapshot…..
I drive a 7 yr old Ford, yet have no food stamps, live in a nice and old part of town and still ahve around $95k in the bank…..
You see my car, old, somewhat with wear/tear and I am in my gardening clothes-you assume I am maybe poor or lower income, when I make nearly $40k a yr, live in a nice area of town,etc….
Think, if you are offended,and your response to me seems highly likely that you are, how do you feel the lady you judged might feel if you said something to her?
Know a guy that saw a young man using his food stamps, the guy was rich and actualyl told off the food stamp user and told him he should invite him over for dinner as he paid for those food stamps teh young guy was using…..
Said rich fellow is a self-id “Christian”.
and “conservative” GOP voter…..
yet, knows nothing about the guy in front of him, his circumstances,etc….
[quote=”2bncr”]Very limiting but cushy definition of cowardice.
I suggest hormone therapy. The “man” kind…[/quote]
unlike me, you do not address your long response to anyone-is it me? David McMurray? Sprite? who?
and thanks, the last few yrs of testing, I have high testosterone levels and was a serving law enforcement officer, front lines on the war on crime w/o tanks and planes,etc…..Own firearms, havea concealed carry permit and more then willing to put a round in the first fellow that sticks his head, un-invited in my casa, esp at night…..
your response-fist to face and cutting, again, with other posts, is really starting to confirm me in the view that you are a American Neocon and likely, wont fit long in CR….or if so, poor Toco/a’s.
as ntoed in last post, sorry if I am wrong somewhere there…..
and if this response you psoted was nto to me, save the time in arguing with me and address it to whoever you feel needs hormones and/or is a coward……in your mind…
As far as laws, my views:
1. Must conform to the eternal law of God
2. In conformity with His Church, the Catholic Church
3. Laws that are out of whack with #1 and #2, not to be obeyed-like abortion, unJust wars,etc…..
4. Saw laws are generally grey-like jaywalking, nothing unbiblical, but might lead to accidents, costs,etc..
5. Laws in direct opposition to God are to be resisted…..force being only a last resort, but allowable….
6. Anarchy is not a system for Christians, not biblical at all.
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