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Sweikert –
Take a few deep breaths and relax, man. I can picture you just pounding away at your keyboard …. thump, thump, wham, wham, bang, bang!!With that degree of angst, Costa Rica may not be your cup of tea. For the most part, those of us that are already here left that attitude at the border or stateside.
It seems to me that you are ready to pppppounce on just about any comment, statement or opinion, armed with the power of the internet to find a “fact” or “opinion” that backs you up.
So what? There are always other “facts” and “opinions” that will take the other side. Just because it is on the internet doesn’t mean that it is cast in stone.
Ask Al Gore – he’ll say the same thing and he invented the damn thing!
Give it a break!
Breathe…… relax…… tranquilo![quote=”costaricabill”]Sweikert –
Take a few deep breaths and relax, man. I can picture you just pounding away at your keyboard …. thump, thump, wham, wham, bang, bang!!With that degree of angst, Costa Rica may not be your cup of tea. For the most part, those of us that are already here left that attitude at the border or stateside.
It seems to me that you are ready to pppppounce on just about any comment, statement or opinion, armed with the power of the internet to find a “fact” or “opinion” that backs you up.
So what? There are always other “facts” and “opinions” that will take the other side. Just because it is on the internet doesn’t mean that it is cast in stone.
Ask Al Gore – he’ll say the same thing and he invented the damn thing!
Give it a break!
Breathe…… relax…… tranquilo![/quote]If in fact the move ever does happen I see a very short stay…. we haven’t even introduced him to “Tico Time” and “Gringo Pricing”…. and dealing with any form of government issues in CR will surely cause him to blow a seal!
He might not last through the trama of opening a bank account!
So what’s with those Yankees? LOL
[quote=”sweikert925″][quote=”pixframe”]
Nice sound byte … but there are enough exceptions written in to Illinois’ law (and very intentionally written in) that can be manipulated to enable lifetime “membership” in your State’s welfare program. http://www.dhs.state.il.us/page.aspx?item=38464%5B/quote%5DHere are those exceptions:
[i]Exceptions to the 60-month limit
A family might be able to receive more than the 60 months of TANF benefits if the parent:Has a pending SSI application and is determined disabled by IDHS; or is determined unable to work at least 30 hours per week due to a medical condition; or
Is in an intensive program that prevents working at least 30 hours per week (includes DCFS, domestic violence, homeless services, mental health, substance abuse, and vocational rehabilitation programs); or
Is in an approved education or training program that will be finished within 6 months after the end of the 60 months; or
Is approved to care for a related child under 18 or spouse due to their medical condition; or
Has a disabled child under 21 who is approved for a Home and Community-based Care waiver.[/i]
Aside from the one that refers to a permanent disability, the others would be temporary in nature too. And the disability has to be of a nature that prevents someone from working – so just being in a wheelchair for example wouldn’t qualify.
Now I don’t know how many people are able to get past the 60 month limit based on these [b]AND NEITHER DO YOU.[/b][/quote]
Seems to be MORE than enough ways to make it possible to enjoy a lifetime on Welfare….so much for a real hard limit.
No wonder they all breed every other year and always have a child diagnosed with some type of alphabet disorder…. that is if they are are not using the same label themselves to keep the money coming in from the state.
[quote=”imxploring”][quote=”sweikert925″][quote=”pixframe”]
Nice sound byte … but there are enough exceptions written in to Illinois’ law (and very intentionally written in) that can be manipulated to enable lifetime “membership” in your State’s welfare program. http://www.dhs.state.il.us/page.aspx?item=38464%5B/quote%5DHere are those exceptions:
[i]Exceptions to the 60-month limit
A family might be able to receive more than the 60 months of TANF benefits if the parent:Has a pending SSI application and is determined disabled by IDHS; or is determined unable to work at least 30 hours per week due to a medical condition; or
Is in an intensive program that prevents working at least 30 hours per week (includes DCFS, domestic violence, homeless services, mental health, substance abuse, and vocational rehabilitation programs); or
Is in an approved education or training program that will be finished within 6 months after the end of the 60 months; or
Is approved to care for a related child under 18 or spouse due to their medical condition; or
Has a disabled child under 21 who is approved for a Home and Community-based Care waiver.[/i]
Aside from the one that refers to a permanent disability, the others would be temporary in nature too. And the disability has to be of a nature that prevents someone from working – so just being in a wheelchair for example wouldn’t qualify.
Now I don’t know how many people are able to get past the 60 month limit based on these [b]AND NEITHER DO YOU.[/b][/quote]
Seems to be MORE than enough ways to make it possible to enjoy a lifetime on Welfare….so much for a real hard limit.
No wonder they all breed every other year and always have a child diagnosed with some type of alphabet disorder…. that is if they are using the same label to keep the money coming in from the state.
[/quote]
sweikert925 (conveniently?) omitted the domestic violence exclusion. The exclusion combined with a claim of PTSD is
guaranteed success in winning Illinois’ Welfare lottery.“The Domestic Violence Exclusion went into effect in Illinois on July I, 2002. It provides needed relief to domestic violence victims and their families as they struggle to break out of the cycle of violence. A client who qualifies for a Domestic Violence Exclusion is not required to participate in work and training activities and the TANF 60- month counter stops.
To qualify:
The client must experience difficulty participating in work and training activities for at least 30 hours a week due to domestic violence, or participation in work or training activities is unsafe.
The client must request to be excused from work and training activities because of a domestic violence problem (a written request is not required). The client must give proof* of being a current or past victim of domestic violence. The client’s request must be approved by a team of staff and consultants (i.e., the multidisciplinary staffing that always includes the caseworker and a domestic violence expert). A person does not have to be receiving services from a domestic violence service provider to qualify for the Domestic Violence Exclusion. *Proof may include a written statement from another person (e.g., relative, friend) who has knowledge of the circumstances that support the claim; a police, government agency, or court record; a statement or documentation from a domestic or sexual violence program or rape crisis organization; documentation from a professional (e.g., doctor, lawyer, clergy); or any other credible evidence, including physical evidence, that supports the claim. If approved, the initial waiver lasts only two months. The client’s Responsibility and Services Plan, or RSP, is amended to reflect what the client is doing to deal with the domestic violence (e.g., counseling, legal action, medical services). After two months, the waiver may be continued for as long as necessary, but the client is obligated to undergo a reassessment of her situation once a month.”[quote=”pixframe”][quote=”imxploring”][quote=”sweikert925″][quote=”pixframe”]
Nice sound byte … but there are enough exceptions written in to Illinois’ law (and very intentionally written in) that can be manipulated to enable lifetime “membership” in your State’s welfare program. http://www.dhs.state.il.us/page.aspx?item=38464%5B/quote%5DHere are those exceptions:
[i]Exceptions to the 60-month limit
A family might be able to receive more than the 60 months of TANF benefits if the parent:Has a pending SSI application and is determined disabled by IDHS; or is determined unable to work at least 30 hours per week due to a medical condition; or
Is in an intensive program that prevents working at least 30 hours per week (includes DCFS, domestic violence, homeless services, mental health, substance abuse, and vocational rehabilitation programs); or
Is in an approved education or training program that will be finished within 6 months after the end of the 60 months; or
Is approved to care for a related child under 18 or spouse due to their medical condition; or
Has a disabled child under 21 who is approved for a Home and Community-based Care waiver.[/i]
Aside from the one that refers to a permanent disability, the others would be temporary in nature too. And the disability has to be of a nature that prevents someone from working – so just being in a wheelchair for example wouldn’t qualify.
Now I don’t know how many people are able to get past the 60 month limit based on these [b]AND NEITHER DO YOU.[/b][/quote]
Seems to be MORE than enough ways to make it possible to enjoy a lifetime on Welfare….so much for a real hard limit.
No wonder they all breed every other year and always have a child diagnosed with some type of alphabet disorder…. that is if they are using the same label to keep the money coming in from the state.
[/quote]
sweikert925 (conveniently?) omitted the domestic violence exclusion. The exclusion combined with a claim of PTSD is
guaranteed success in winning Illinois’ Welfare lottery.“The Domestic Violence Exclusion went into effect in Illinois on July I, 2002. It provides needed relief to domestic violence victims and their families as they struggle to break out of the cycle of violence. A client who qualifies for a Domestic Violence Exclusion is not required to participate in work and training activities and the TANF 60- month counter stops.
To qualify:
The client must experience difficulty participating in work and training activities for at least 30 hours a week due to domestic violence, or participation in work or training activities is unsafe.
The client must request to be excused from work and training activities because of a domestic violence problem (a written request is not required). The client must give proof* of being a current or past victim of domestic violence. The client’s request must be approved by a team of staff and consultants (i.e., the multidisciplinary staffing that always includes the caseworker and a domestic violence expert). A person does not have to be receiving services from a domestic violence service provider to qualify for the Domestic Violence Exclusion. *Proof may include a written statement from another person (e.g., relative, friend) who has knowledge of the circumstances that support the claim; a police, government agency, or court record; a statement or documentation from a domestic or sexual violence program or rape crisis organization; documentation from a professional (e.g., doctor, lawyer, clergy); or any other credible evidence, including physical evidence, that supports the claim. If approved, the initial waiver lasts only two months. The client’s Responsibility and Services Plan, or RSP, is amended to reflect what the client is doing to deal with the domestic violence (e.g., counseling, legal action, medical services). After two months, the waiver may be continued for as long as necessary, but the client is obligated to undergo a reassessment of her situation once a month.”
[/quote]All part of the “I’m a victim now support me” mentality of society in the US.
Pick your poison…. everyone has a story…. but it all ends with a demand that someone else pays!
[quote=”sweikert925″][quote=”pixframe”]
Nice sound byte … but there are enough exceptions written in to Illinois’ law (and very intentionally written in) that can be manipulated to enable lifetime “membership” in your State’s welfare program. http://www.dhs.state.il.us/page.aspx?item=38464%5B/quote%5DHere are those exceptions:
[i]Exceptions to the 60-month limit
A family might be able to receive more than the 60 months of TANF benefits if the parent:Has a pending SSI application and is determined disabled by IDHS; or is determined unable to work at least 30 hours per week due to a medical condition; or
Is in an intensive program that prevents working at least 30 hours per week (includes DCFS, domestic violence, homeless services, mental health, substance abuse, and vocational rehabilitation programs); or
Is in an approved education or training program that will be finished within 6 months after the end of the 60 months; or
Is approved to care for a related child under 18 or spouse due to their medical condition; or
Has a disabled child under 21 who is approved for a Home and Community-based Care waiver.[/i]
Aside from the one that refers to a permanent disability, the others would be temporary in nature too. And the disability has to be of a nature that prevents someone from working – so just being in a wheelchair for example wouldn’t qualify.[/quote]
FYI, Illinois defers to the Federal government’s definition of disability. So, yes, even in Illinois, many a person sitting in a wheelchair will and DOES qualify.
http://www.illinoislegalaid.org/index.cfm?fuseaction=home.dsp_content&contentID=252http://www.illinoislegaladvocate.org/index.cfm?fuseaction=home.dsp_content&contentID=240
[quote=”sweikert925″][quote=”imxploring”]
Welfare spending (a truly detrimental form of socialism spending) continues to expand.
[/quote]According to the 2010 Census, the number of people receiving benefits in Illinois under TANF has [b]DECREASED from 234,000 in 2000 to 54,000 in 2009[/b]. Nationwide the number has dropped from 5.9 million in 2000 to 4.2 million in 2009. In 1997, the year welfare reform was implemented the number on welfare was over 12 million.
http://www.census.gov/compendia/statab/2012/tables/12s0566.pdf
This is where you get all huffy about my daring to cite an internet source right?[/quote]
The chart also shows: Illinois’ TANF expenditures:
2000 $879 mil, 2005 $998mil and 2009 $1,091 mil.Year 2000 234,000 recipients costing Illinois $879 mil
Year 2009 54,000 recipients costing State $1,091 mil. Something very wrong with the info here (even if it is coming from a “reliable” source).A couple of us on this forum have worked in social services – non-governmental.
Had a woman once tell me why she got pregnant. Her reply? “He’s (her nearly 17 year old son) going to be off the welfare soon.” And she picked a vet to father her child. She said she picked him for his benefits.
Or the mother of 7 who got her welfare under her maiden name, saying she was a single mom, because her husband made too much money “for the welfare”.
The system is broken. It needs to be fixed.
[quote=”sweikert925″][quote=”imxploring”]
Welfare spending (a truly detrimental form of socialism spending) continues to expand.
[/quote]According to the 2010 Census, the number of people receiving benefits in Illinois under TANF has [b]DECREASED from 234,000 in 2000 to 54,000 in 2009[/b]. Nationwide the number has dropped from 5.9 million in 2000 to 4.2 million in 2009. In 1997, the year welfare reform was implemented the number on welfare was over 12 million.
http://www.census.gov/compendia/statab/2012/tables/12s0566.pdf
This is where you get all huffy about my daring to cite an internet source right?[/quote]
How about this source showing some additional components of the TOTAL welfare assistance the folks in Illinios are getting…. NOT just the basic assistance (TANF) program numbers you’re pointing to to make your point.
Let’s see how the food stamp program and section 8 programs add to that. Or perhaps the AFDC (Aid to families with dependant Children) program… or a dozen other welfare programs you didn’t include.
This source seems to tell another story and is a little more current than the info you posted.
So which is it? Is welfare spending up or down as you seem to postulate?
We can play the links game all day!
You might enjoy this link as well…. someone else with questions about how “Other People’s” money is being doled out!
http://www.chicagonow.com/chicago-muckrakers/2012/07/where-does-illinois-welfare-money-go/
Enjoy!!!
[quote=”sweikert925″]”But far from creating a “cuture of dependency,” welfare spending has declined since reforms were passed in 1996, across three presidencies and two parties, as poverty takes up a smaller part of the national political debate.”
From the same link you provided. (Thanks for helping me make my point!) Let me guess, you didn’t even read the whole thing before posting it did you?
[quote=”imxploring”]
Let’s see how the food stamp program and section 8 programs add to that. Or perhaps the AFDC (Aid to families with dependant Children) program…
[/quote]There is no more AFDC. It was abolished in 1997 as part of welfare reform. TANF is the replacement for it. You don’t know much about this subject do you?[/quote]
So you simply ignore the fact that TANF which I’m well aware is the replacement for AFDC is now slowly seeing much the same fate? They’ve just changed the “program” by which they are handing out money. It’s harder to hit a moving/morphing target (welfare). How about the dozen or so other programs that dole out assistance?
You refuse to acknowledge that welfare spending (in all it’s forms and whatever acronyms are currently used) is increasing? Do you really believe that there are only 54,000 people on welfare in the state of Illinois because that’s how many people are collecting TANF?
How is it then possible that welfare spending is now at an all-time high?
I noticed you left the first sentence out of the paragraph you quoted from the link I provided…. here’s the full paragraph….
“Ultimately it’s not that much of the federal budget, though it’s increased here as a part of the state budget. But far from creating a “cuture of dependency,” welfare spending has declined since reforms were passed in 1996, across three presidencies and two parties, as poverty takes up a smaller part of the national political debate.”
Funny that you left out the first sentence. An INCREASE???? And COMPLETELY ignored the prior paragraph where they mention that food stamp recipients have increased by one million in the last decade. Are we to believe none of them were in Illinois?
Wake up!
Or if not I’ll have to agree with ddavid…. things sound wonderful in Chicago… you’d be a fool to leave!
[quote=”pixframe”][quote=”sweikert925″][quote=”imxploring”]
Welfare spending (a truly detrimental form of socialism spending) continues to expand.
[/quote]According to the 2010 Census, the number of people receiving benefits in Illinois under TANF has [b]DECREASED from 234,000 in 2000 to 54,000 in 2009[/b]. Nationwide the number has dropped from 5.9 million in 2000 to 4.2 million in 2009. In 1997, the year welfare reform was implemented the number on welfare was over 12 million.
http://www.census.gov/compendia/statab/2012/tables/12s0566.pdf
This is where you get all huffy about my daring to cite an internet source right?[/quote]
The chart also shows: Illinois’ TANF expenditures:
2000 $879 mil, 2005 $998mil and 2009 $1,091 mil.Year 2000 234,000 recipients costing Illinois $879 mil
Year 2009 54,000 recipients costing State $1,091 mil. Something very wrong with the info here (even if it is coming from a “reliable” source).[/quote]Don’t try to apply logic…. it’s posted on the internet therefore it must be accepted without question or the application of logic or common sense!!! LOL
[quote=”pixframe”][quote=”sweikert925″][quote=”imxploring”]
Welfare spending (a truly detrimental form of socialism spending) continues to expand.
[/quote]According to the 2010 Census, the number of people receiving benefits in Illinois under TANF has [b]DECREASED from 234,000 in 2000 to 54,000 in 2009[/b]. Nationwide the number has dropped from 5.9 million in 2000 to 4.2 million in 2009. In 1997, the year welfare reform was implemented the number on welfare was over 12 million.
http://www.census.gov/compendia/statab/2012/tables/12s0566.pdf
This is where you get all huffy about my daring to cite an internet source right?[/quote]
The chart also shows: Illinois’ TANF expenditures:
2000 $879 mil, 2005 $998mil and 2009 $1,091 mil.Year 2000 234,000 recipients costing Illinois $879 mil
Year 2009 54,000 recipients costing State $1,091 mil. Something very wrong with the info here (even if it is coming from a “reliable” source).[/quote]From the link I provided….shifting cost to the states.
“In 2001, Illinois spent $602 million in federal TANF funds, and $445 in “maintenance of effort” spending, which is the money the state has to spend to get the federal money, ensuring that the state has some skin in the game. In 2011 dollars, that’s equivalent to $765 million and $565 million. In 2011, the state spent $613 million in TANF dollars and $706 million in MOE dollars: a 20 percent increase in state spending and a 20 percent decrease in federal spending, leading to a very small decline in overall spending—in keeping with the general trend of less federal money being available to states across the board.”
“The nature of welfare spending has changed as well. Here’s how welfare dollars are spent in Illinois, in non-inflation-adjusted dollars:”
(There is a great chart on the link showing how expenditures have shifted to other welfare programs with very suspect sounding titles.)
“Basic assistance has gone from the largest expense to one of the smaller expenses; the largest expense among those categories is child care (46 percent in 2011). Second is “authorized under prior law and other nonassistance”; Megan Cotrell explains what that means. Illinois spends the lowest percentage of its welfare money on basic assistance of any state in the country, tied with Arksansas and North Carolina. Illinois also has one of the lowest percentages of poor families receiving TANF in the country:”
So shifting expenditures from one program/title to another doesn’t change the overall picture.
imxploring
sweikert is a troll OMG this is the first time I have ever used this phrase.
he is baiting you
because he is sitting at home probably in his calvin kleins eating a mcmuffin.
bored to death of his life and he trolls.
constantly debating for the sake of debates
can you imagine this guy actually living here??
Ah, the troll under the bridge. I remember the story, “Three Billie Goats Gruff”.
The goats win, btw.
Not that I want to be called a ‘goat’, but I do live in CR.
[quote=”VictoriaLST”]Ah, the troll under the bridge. I remember the story, “Three Billie Goats Gruff”.
The goats win, btw.
Not that I want to be called a ‘goat’, but I do live in CR.[/quote]
Victoria
I also remember that story 🙂
First I stand corrected
TROLL in todays internet slang is not what sweikert is doing. below is wikipedia definition
I think Mental Masturbation is the better description. :roll::roll::roll:
Troll (Internet)
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
This article is about internet slang. For other uses, see Troll (disambiguation).
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In Internet slang, a troll (/?tro?l/, /?tr?l/) is someone who posts inflammatory,[1] extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community, such as a forum, chat room, or blog, with the primary intent of provoking readers into an emotional response[2] or of otherwise disrupting normal on-topic discussion.[3] The noun troll may also refer to the provocative message itself, as in: “That was an excellent troll you posted.”
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