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[quote=”waggoner41″]Forget that this guy is a Democrat.
He is only an indication of what we are electing to make decisions for our welfare. If examined closely we would find that our Congressmen and women have very little knowledge of historym geography, economics or the effect of their decisons.
[b][size=200]WAKE UP AMERICA.[/size][/b][/quote]It’s sad that the testing & qualifications to become a naturalized citizen of the USA exceeds the job requirements of national elective office. Wake up America? 50% of our population is in Rip Van Winkle mode, and are shocked to find out that healthcare isn’t free yet.
[quote=”postalx”]shocked to find out that healthcare isn’t free yet.[/quote]
I agree with that. It’s like expecting to start a business without any money and expecting a profit from day one, isn’t it.
The payoff doesn’t really start to show until 10 years down the line.
[quote=”waggoner41″][quote=”postalx”]shocked to find out that healthcare isn’t free yet.[/quote]
I agree with that. It’s like expecting to start a business without any money and expecting a profit from day one, isn’t it.
The payoff doesn’t really start to show until 10 years down the line.[/quote]
If, by some miraculous occurrence, there is any resulting cost benefit to employers and consumers, I’ll admit my error. More likely, I’ll still be muttering about what a dumb-ass, corrupt, ill-conceived scam that was perpetrated on the productive segment of society for the benefit of few and at a ridiculous cost.
The cheerleaders may counter, “Your already paying for the uninsured by inflated insurance premiums.” True; but add to that the cost thousands of freshly minted government employees, working for inflated salaries and benefits, 16,500 new IRS agents waiting to fine your ass for choosing not to comply, and ‘POOF!’, where did the savings go? Designed to fail from the get-go.
Mark these words: healthcare costs in the US will continue to rise, cost containment measures by the US Government will fail and there will be a lot of unemployed Democrat Congressmen and Senators in November.
[quote=”postalx”][quote=”waggoner41″][quote=”postalx”]shocked to find out that healthcare isn’t free yet.[/quote]
I agree with that. It’s like expecting to start a business without any money and expecting a profit from day one, isn’t it.
The payoff doesn’t really start to show until 10 years down the line.[/quote]
If, by some miraculous occurrence, there is any resulting cost benefit to employers and consumers, I’ll admit my error. More likely, I’ll still be muttering about what a dumb-ass, corrupt, ill-conceived scam that was perpetrated on the productive segment of society for the benefit of few and at a ridiculous cost.
The cheerleaders may counter, “Your already paying for the uninsured by inflated insurance premiums.” True; but add to that the cost thousands of freshly minted government employees, working for inflated salaries and benefits, 16,500 new IRS agents waiting to fine your ass for choosing not to comply, and ‘POOF!’, where did the savings go? Designed to fail from the get-go.
Mark these words: healthcare costs in the US will continue to rise, cost containment measures by the US Government will fail and there will be a lot of unemployed Democrat Congressmen and Senators in November.[/quote]
Do you now have health insurance? Have you been without health insurance? If not now ; then when will ALL Americans have health insurance?
Can you explain to me why for 8 yrs during the Republican administration why they didn’t ever address why some many in the USA could not get or afford health insurance?Please stick to the facts this time instead of attacking my character or spelling.
I am on the ground here in the USA and i have yet to find one of the 80% of Americans that are so dead set against the Health Care Bill.
[quote=”Versatile”][quote=”postalx”][quote=”waggoner41″][quote=”postalx”]shocked to find out that healthcare isn’t free yet.[/quote]
I agree with that. It’s like expecting to start a business without any money and expecting a profit from day one, isn’t it.
The payoff doesn’t really start to show until 10 years down the line.[/quote]
If, by some miraculous occurrence, there is any resulting cost benefit to employers and consumers, I’ll admit my error. More likely, I’ll still be muttering about what a dumb-ass, corrupt, ill-conceived scam that was perpetrated on the productive segment of society for the benefit of few and at a ridiculous cost.
The cheerleaders may counter, “Your already paying for the uninsured by inflated insurance premiums.” True; but add to that the cost thousands of freshly minted government employees, working for inflated salaries and benefits, 16,500 new IRS agents waiting to fine your ass for choosing not to comply, and ‘POOF!’, where did the savings go? Designed to fail from the get-go.
Mark these words: healthcare costs in the US will continue to rise, cost containment measures by the US Government will fail and there will be a lot of unemployed Democrat Congressmen and Senators in November.[/quote]
Do you now have health insurance? Have you been without health insurance? If not now ; then when will ALL Americans have health insurance?
Can you explain to me why for 8 yrs during the Republican administration why they didn’t ever address why some many in the USA could not get or afford health insurance?Please stick to the facts this time instead of attacking my character or spelling.
I am on the ground here in the USA and i have yet to find one of the 80% of Americans that are so dead set against the Health Care Bill.[/quote]
Although this is likely a futile exercise, let me give you a glimpse of my world. 55 years old, male, married, self employed, employees, overhead, vehicle fleet; parent of two self sufficient young adults. Working class parents and grandparents.
I’ve had health insurance every day of my working life, paid for by my labor, sometimes with the assistance of my past employers, mostly not. In any event, I chose to allot that money for my peace of mind.
Like it or not, (probably not) people prioritize what they spend money on. Many people are bums and pitiful excuses for parents. Others will never get anywhere in life no matter what you do for them (See: LBJ, Great Society) There are dozens of reasons people don’t have health insurance, but only a few are truly valid. The recurring number I’ve heard reported is that 85% of Americans are happy with their healthcare, although the cost is a factor they’d like improved. So where are the cost savings in this new plan? All I see are mandates, taxes, fines; hardly a recipe for lower costs.
Question is: Does this justify a government takeover of private industry? Not for our welfare; it’s about tax, control, spend.
I suggest that if your having a hard time finding anyone that sees this takeover as objectionable, you need to start engaging people that you fundamentally disagree with, and try their shoes on for size. You might have an epiphany.
But then again, probably not.
[quote=”postalx”][quote=”Versatile”][quote=”postalx”][quote=”waggoner41″][quote=”postalx”]shocked to find out that healthcare isn’t free yet.[/quote]
I agree with that. It’s like expecting to start a business without any money and expecting a profit from day one, isn’t it.
The payoff doesn’t really start to show until 10 years down the line.[/quote]
If, by some miraculous occurrence, there is any resulting cost benefit to employers and consumers, I’ll admit my error. More likely, I’ll still be muttering about what a dumb-ass, corrupt, ill-conceived scam that was perpetrated on the productive segment of society for the benefit of few and at a ridiculous cost.
The cheerleaders may counter, “Your already paying for the uninsured by inflated insurance premiums.” True; but add to that the cost thousands of freshly minted government employees, working for inflated salaries and benefits, 16,500 new IRS agents waiting to fine your ass for choosing not to comply, and ‘POOF!’, where did the savings go? Designed to fail from the get-go.
Mark these words: healthcare costs in the US will continue to rise, cost containment measures by the US Government will fail and there will be a lot of unemployed Democrat Congressmen and Senators in November.[/quote]
Do you now have health insurance? Have you been without health insurance? If not now ; then when will ALL Americans have health insurance?
Can you explain to me why for 8 yrs during the Republican administration why they didn’t ever address why some many in the USA could not get or afford health insurance?Please stick to the facts this time instead of attacking my character or spelling.
I am on the ground here in the USA and i have yet to find one of the 80% of Americans that are so dead set against the Health Care Bill.[/quote]
Although this is likely a futile exercise, let me give you a glimpse of my world. 55 years old, male, married, self employed, employees, overhead, vehicle fleet; parent of two self sufficient young adults. Working class parents and grandparents.
I’ve had health insurance every day of my working life, paid for by my labor, sometimes with the assistance of my past employers, mostly not. In any event, I chose to allot that money for my peace of mind.
Like it or not, (probably not) people prioritize what they spend money on. Many people are bums and pitiful excuses for parents. Others will never get anywhere in life no matter what you do for them (See: LBJ, Great Society) There are dozens of reasons people don’t have health insurance, but only a few are truly valid. The recurring number I’ve heard reported is that 85% of Americans are happy with their healthcare, although the cost is a factor they’d like improved. So where are the cost savings in this new plan? All I see are mandates, taxes, fines; hardly a recipe for lower costs.
Question is: Does this justify a government takeover of private industry? Not for our welfare; it’s about tax, control, spend.
I suggest that if your having a hard time finding anyone that sees this takeover as objectionable, you need to start engaging people that you fundamentally disagree with, and try their shoes on for size. You might have an epiphany.
But then again, probably not.[/quote]
I was with you for a moment until your last line.
YOU SIR HAVE BEEN MOVED TO MY IGNORE LIST![quote=”F.A Skippy”]The Queen will probably knight this idiot.
Sorry Scott :lol:[/quote]AGREED!
F.A. Bubba!
LOL
[quote=”Versatile”]
Although this is likely a futile exercise, let me give you a glimpse of my world. 55 years old, male, married, self employed, employees, overhead, vehicle fleet; parent of two self sufficient young adults. Working class parents and grandparents.I’ve had health insurance every day of my working life, paid for by my labor, sometimes with the assistance of my past employers, mostly not. In any event, I chose to allot that money for my peace of mind.
Like it or not, (probably not) people prioritize what they spend money on. Many people are bums and pitiful excuses for parents. Others will never get anywhere in life no matter what you do for them (See: LBJ, Great Society) There are dozens of reasons people don’t have health insurance, but only a few are truly valid. The recurring number I’ve heard reported is that 85% of Americans are happy with their healthcare, although the cost is a factor they’d like improved. So where are the cost savings in this new plan? All I see are mandates, taxes, fines; hardly a recipe for lower costs.
Question is: Does this justify a government takeover of private industry? Not for our welfare; it’s about tax, control, spend.
I suggest that if your having a hard time finding anyone that sees this takeover as objectionable, you need to start engaging people that you fundamentally disagree with, and try their shoes on for size. You might have an epiphany.
But then again, probably not.[/quote]
Been there, done that. Retired and 69, I did own my own business and my circumstances were similar.
Take a look at the cash that the insurors are taking in and they deny you for preconditions, set annual individual and family limits and decide for what treatment they will pay. No matter how many ways you can think of that the insurors can gouge you they are 10 steps ahead of you.
I agree about the bums and ne’er-do-wells but they are being forced into a system that will attempt to prevent your having to carry those people through your tax dollars. Every time they get free health care, you pay. They have to start carrying their own weight and the only way to do so is by law. I have siblings that fit this mold and I have resented it for years.
Happy with your health care? Keep it! but don’t let them dictate your treatment as they do now.
The number of “agents” is untrue that number includes support staff. For every agent there is a support staff but the tax $$$ saved by requiring insurance will more than offset the additional work force.
The government is not getting into the insurance business by setting up the insurance pool. It simply oversees the pool with a small staff. The idea of the pool is to force insurors to be more competetive in order to sell their product.
You can not name one piece of legislation that was perfect out of the box and this is no different. It will require changes as all other legislation has required changes.
Costa Rica has a truly socialist type of health care system and they are still changing for the better 61 years down the line.
Economics is a special interest of mine and I could be wrong but I think with patience you will fing that the kinks will be worked out over time.
I’ll give Obama credit for getting something done that bo other president has had the huevos to accomplished since Roodevelt (Teddy) first mentioned it in 1912.
[quote=”waggoner41″][quote=”Versatile”]
Although this is likely a futile exercise, let me give you a glimpse of my world. 55 years old, male, married, self employed, employees, overhead, vehicle fleet; parent of two self sufficient young adults. Working class parents and grandparents.I’ve had health insurance every day of my working life, paid for by my labor, sometimes with the assistance of my past employers, mostly not. In any event, I chose to allot that money for my peace of mind.
Like it or not, (probably not) people prioritize what they spend money on. Many people are bums and pitiful excuses for parents. Others will never get anywhere in life no matter what you do for them (See: LBJ, Great Society) There are dozens of reasons people don’t have health insurance, but only a few are truly valid. The recurring number I’ve heard reported is that 85% of Americans are happy with their healthcare, although the cost is a factor they’d like improved. So where are the cost savings in this new plan? All I see are mandates, taxes, fines; hardly a recipe for lower costs.
Question is: Does this justify a government takeover of private industry? Not for our welfare; it’s about tax, control, spend.
I suggest that if your having a hard time finding anyone that sees this takeover as objectionable, you need to start engaging people that you fundamentally disagree with, and try their shoes on for size. You might have an epiphany.
But then again, probably not.[/quote]
Been there, done that. Retired and 69, I did own my own business and my circumstances were similar.
Take a look at the cash that the insurors are taking in and they deny you for preconditions, set annual individual and family limits and decide for what treatment they will pay. No matter how many ways you can think of that the insurors can gouge you they are 10 steps ahead of you.
I agree about the bums and ne’er-do-wells but they are being forced into a system that will attempt to prevent your having to carry those people through your tax dollars. Every time they get free health care, you pay. They have to start carrying their own weight and the only way to do so is by law. I have siblings that fit this mold and I have resented it for years.
Happy with your health care? Keep it! but don’t let them dictate your treatment as they do now.
The number of “agents” is untrue that number includes support staff. For every agent there is a support staff but the tax $$$ saved by requiring insurance will more than offset the additional work force.
The government is not getting into the insurance business by setting up the insurance pool. It simply oversees the pool with a small staff. The idea of the pool is to force insurors to be more competetive in order to sell their product.
You can not name one piece of legislation that was perfect out of the box and this is no different. It will require changes as all other legislation has required changes.
Costa Rica has a truly socialist type of health care system and they are still changing for the better 61 years down the line.
Economics is a special interest of mine and I could be wrong but I think with patience you will fing that the kinks will be worked out over time.
I’ll give Obama credit for getting something done that bo other president has had the huevos to accomplished since Roodevelt (Teddy) first mentioned it in 1912.[/quote]
I didn’t write it. Versatile
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